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Warbreaker Brandon Sanderson

Welcome back to the Warbreaker reread! Last week, Siri was taken captive, Lightsong withheld his vote on the war proposal, and Vasher was captured when he went to rescue Siri. This week, Vasher is tortured physically, and Lightsong psychologically. The Avalanche is at full steam now.

This reread will contain spoilers for all of Warbreaker and any other Cosmere book that becomes relevant to the discussion. This is particularly likely to include Words of Radiance, due to certain crossover characters. The index for this reread can be found here. Click on through to join the discussion!

 

Chapter 52

Point of View: Lightsong, Siri, Lightsong
Setting: Lightsong’s Palace, the God King’s bedchamber
Timing: The same evening as Chapter 50 and 51

Take a Deep Breath

Lightsong drinks and watches his servants bring in and pile up the things he’s been given by his worshippers over the years, and engages in philosophical discussions with Llarimar. He is stewing over the decision he must make which will so drastically affect the fate of those same people: whether or not to go to war. Llarimar presents a fairly balanced evaluation of the pros and cons, and Lightsong pushes him—if he had to choose, what would he do? He removes his priestly headgear and speaks as a friend, offering a suggestion which just might work out well for everyone.

Siri waits alone in the black bedchamber, terrified of what’s going on and how she’s being guarded and kept isolated. Susebron has not been allowed to come to her; the only person she has seen is a crass soldier type who checks on her periodically, and who apparently replaced the Lifeless and the priests who had guarded her at first. With no information and no idea when this imprisonment might end, she has to hope that Susebron will somehow break free and rescue her.

Lightsong and Llarimar peer through the bushes toward Mercystar’s palace, and Lightsong recognizes the scene from his dream. When the guard patrol passes, they run for the wall and sneak in through a window. Once in, though they’re forced to brazen it out when the indoor guards see them. They make their way to the trapdoor, watched by a helpless guard, and follow their noses to the Lifeless barracks. Moving farther, they find lights and hear voices—Denth and another man talking about the war and having captured Vasher. As they confer, they hear a scream, and then Blushweaver shouting at someone to let her go. Lightsong finds himself dashing off to the rescue, and bursts out into a dungeon where Blushweaver is now gagged and bound to a chair. Lightsong charges, taking the men off guard, and seizes the sword of the man he knocked down. Unfortunately for him, when the soldiers engage, he turns out to have no skill with the sword whatsoever; he and Llarimar are promptly taken down.

Breathtaking

He was interrupted by a loud scream. Lightsong jumped. The sound came from the same place he had heard the voices, and it sounded like…

“Let go of me!” Blushweaver yelled. “What do you think you’re doing! I’m a goddess!”

Lightsong stood up abruptly. A voice said something back to Blushweaver, but Lightsong was too far down the tunnel to make out the words.

“You will let me go!” Blushweaver yelled. “I—” she cut off sharply, crying out in pain.

Lightsong’s heart was pounding. He took a step.

“Your Grace!” Llarimar said, standing. “We should go for help!”

“We are help,” Lightsong said. He took a deep breath. Then—surprising himself—he charged down the tunnel.

This is such a heroic moment… momentarily. Of course, it leads into one of the gut-wrenching twists so characteristic of Sanderson’s climax scenes, but it’s nice to enjoy it while it lasts. Last week, Siri and Vasher were captured just at the moment they looked like breaking free; now it’s Lightsong’s turn. I haz a sad.

Local Color

I highly recommend that you read the annotations for this chapter. They’re full of spoilers, but so is the rest of the reread, so… go for it. To quickly summarize: Lightsong subconsciously chafes at the way all the intangible things he used to value have been replaced by all the stuff that he’s given as a god. The relationship between Lightsong and Llarimar is meant to be a parallel of sorts with Vivenna & Siri, and knowing Lightsong so well as Stennimar necessarily complicates Llarimar’s religious beliefs. Siri is going to be stuck for a while in “damsel in distress” mode, but it’s sort of needed in the plot right now, and she hasn’t been built as a character who can do armed combat.

Having built dreams & prophecy into the magic/religious system, it made sense to use a prophetic dream to get Lightsong to the right place at the right time—if it were sheer coincidence, it would be a bit too convenient. (There’s a nice long section on the history of the tunnels, and how the Pahn Kahl finagled their way into the system. Go read it.) Finally, the twist wherein we expect to find that Lightsong is an expert swordsman and he turns out to be a complete tyro is needed partly to be unexpected, partly because it makes a better story, and partly because given his backstory, it wouldn’t make sense for him to be any good at combat.

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Chapter 53

Point of View: Vivenna, Siri, Old Chapps, Vasher, Vivenna, Lightsong
Setting: Various locations in T’Telir and the Court of Gods
Timing:
Into the early morning hours of the same night

Take a Deep Breath

Vivenna paces, anxious because Vasher still hasn’t returned from his “quick scouting mission.” Wondering why she worries, she realizes that Vasher is the only person she knows besides Siri who never wears a false persona.

Siri wakes to the sound of a second round of fighting outside her chamber. Suddenly Treledees enters, urging her to come with him. Since she assumes he’s the villain, two of the city guardsmen with him have to bring her forcefully. She screams toward the sound of more fighting down the hallway as they carry her away.

Old Chapps, disposer of inconvenient corpses and sometime fisherman, follows the advice of the sea to drop his weighted net in just the right place. It snags on something too heavy, and he pulls it in to find a sword tangled in the net… silvery, with a black handle. It speaks to him, and Old Chapps admires his find.

Vasher regains consciousness, wrists tied with his own rope, hanging from a hook in the ceiling. He’s been stripped to his undershorts, and everything around him is drained of color. It doesn’t matter, since he has no Breath remaining. Denth is waiting; along with his anger over Shashara, he wants to know how Vasher killed Arsteel. They snarl back and forth for a bit, ending with Denth pulling out a knife and claiming he’s always wondered what Tonk Fah enjoys so much about causing pain.

Vivenna gets dressed as dawn approaches; it’s clear that something has gone wrong for Vasher. She thinks about how she’s failed at everything she’s tried since leaving Idris, but realizes that she has to deal with failure if she’s ever going to do better. Determined to try even if she fails again, she puts on one of Vasher’s tassel-cuffed outfits, followed by his spare cloak, then Commands the clothing as she heard Vasher do: the cloak to protect, the sleeve tassels to grip when she does, and the leg tassels to strengthen her legs. Tying on her sword, she sets out.

Lightsong sits in a cage, watching Blushweaver cry. She admits she’d been working with the God King’s priests, but they have betrayed her, accusing her of withholding things. Lightsong turns to Llarimar, in the cage next to his own; he believes that if he can just get the right tool in his hands, his instincts will let him pick the lock on the cage. Llarimar suddenly shouts at him, revealing the truth about Lightsong’s former life—a scribe and his own trouble-maker brother. Before Lightsong can respond, a priest approaches and demands the Command phrases. When Lightsong refuses, the other priests pull Blushweaver from her cage and, without further ado, cut her throat. Lightsong frantically strains at his cage, unable to reach or aid her, as she dies. The priest explains simply that they needed him to understand that they were serious and would do whatever it took to get his Command phrases. Lightsong says they can beat them out of him, but their torturer is busy elsewhere; they simply move to Llarimar’s cage, promising to kill him. As they hold a knife to his brother’s throat, Lightsong breaks and gives them the “Red Panther” code. The priests leave, and Lightsong is left staring at Blushweaver’s corpse, trying to convince himself that it’s all a hallucination.

Breathtaking

“I still owe you for Arsteel’s death, too,” Denth said quietly. “I want to know how you killed him.”

“In a duel,” Vasher said in a croaking voice.

“You didn’t beat him in a duel, Vasher,” Denth said, stepping forward. “I know it.”

“Then maybe I snuck up and stabbed him from behind,” Vasher said. “It’s what he deserved.”

Denth backhanded him across the face, causing him to swing from the hook. “Arsteel was a good man!”

“Once,” Vasher said, tasting blood. “Once, we were all good men, Denth. Once.”

I thought this was sadly profound, and a timely reminder of who they used to be. Once, the Five Scholars were worthy of honor and respect. Once, they were good people who sought knowledge and understanding for the good of humanity. We don’t entirely know what happened to change that; probably Nightblood, along with several other things.

Local Color

There are about forty brief annotations here… The first scene is just a quick update on Vivenna, and the second is a quick glance at Siri being retrieved by Treledees, who has taken advantage of Denth’s preoccupation with Vasher to regain control of that corner of the palace. Then there’s Old Chapps—a random, unhinged old dude with a seriously creepy way of looking at life death, who is therefore open to Nightblood’s touch.

The next bit is longer, concerning the conversation—if you can call it that—between Denth and Vasher. Mostly it clarifies that Vasher was wrong about Arsteel, whose motives were actually good even if his understanding wasn’t, and that Arsteel had never intended the duel to be deadly. He just wanted to talk some sense into Vasher, as he saw it. Also, there is some slight measure of good left in Denth, as shown by his effort to limit Tonk Fah’s proclivities to animals instead of people.

There’s a short note about Vivenna & Siri—they’re both out of their depth and ought to be useless, but they still do what they can, because they’ve matured that way. Sanderson also notes this moment of decision as Vivenna’s first step toward becoming her new self.

Then there’s another longer comment about Lightsong and Llarimar. Horrible as it was, the priest was sort of right about killing Blushweaver—it’s one of the very few ways they could have destroyed Lightsong’s assumption of invincibility. Also, the story about the only other time Lightsong landed them both in prison is… funny, in a cringe-making sort of way. He ends the annotations with a bit of philosophy: the need to allow the bad guys to do the smartest thing just because it’s smart, not because they necessarily like doing it. While he assures us that the priests wouldn’t have killed Llarimar right away—and lose their last bargaining chip—they’d probably have started cutting off his fingers. Anyway, the big effect of the whole scene was to turn Lightsong’s arc from fun-and-games to deadly serious.

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Snow White and Rose Red

Siri and Vivenna, once again, are mostly bit-parts right here, but there are things worth noting. We’re supposed to still be unsure of the priests motivations, and I’m sure on the first read, we still were. On a reread, it’s a little sad to see Siri’s response to Treledees—though, of course, he never gave her reason to react any other way. Vivenna doesn’t actually do much this week, but she’s setting up for next week. So… we’ll talk about the girls more next week.

As I Live and Breathe

Oddly enough, the only person do even use Awakening this week is Vivenna. I have to wonder if she realizes just how difficult the Commands are that she used in this scene—“Protect me;” “Upon call, become my fingers and grip that which I must;” “Strengthen my legs.” Vasher used them quickly and apparently casually, but these should be way beyond her ability… and I’m refusing to look ahead and see if she was successful or not. However… it makes me wonder if objects can become habituated to Commands which are given them multiple times.

Clashing Colors

We know that the Pahn Kahl are behind all of this mess, but of course no one in-book (besides Denth and the Pahn Kahl themselves) knows that yet. Lightsong, though, notes several times that something is “off” about the priests. Again, I’m not looking ahead to get the answer—I’ll get there soon enough—but it’s impossible not to assume that something about either the look or the demeanor of the priests is more Pahn Kahl than Hallandren. Like this bit:

“No,” the priest said, shaking his head. “We’re actually new to all of this. We don’t know how to torture very well, and it would take too much time to force you to talk that way. Those who are skilled at torture aren’t being very cooperative right now. Never pay a mercenary before the job is done.”

I can’t quite see any of Susebron’s priests—or anyone else’s, from what we’ve seen—being humble enough to admit that they don’t know how to do something. It just seems terribly out of character, right? So… just pointing that out.

In Living Color

If you’ve been reading the spoiler annotations—or for that matter, if you’ve been reading the reread!—this wouldn’t have been as much of a shock, but on a first read, Blushweaver’s murder was like lightning out of a clear sky. WHAT??? It isn’t unbelievable, especially by the time you read the next page or so, but it’s blindingly unexpected, even if you thought she might die somewhere along the line. It was just so abrupt. No lead in. I don’t know about you, but as a way to make Lightsong’s arc take a sudden turn, I found it frighteningly effective.

In these two chapters, Lightsong goes from adventurous would-be sleuth and hero to a broken shell of himself. He thought (with some reason, of course) that he was pretty well invincible, but suddenly he finds that he’s a completely inept fighter, in his former life he was scribe to a local moneylender, Llarimar is his brother, and gods are terrifyingly susceptible to murder by someone who doesn’t want their Breath. Ouch.

Then there are our former Scholars, Vasher & Denth, and Vasher isn’t doing too well in this particular encounter. Denth has all the advantages: along with having his whole team against Vasher alone, now he has physical freedom while Vasher hangs by his wrists from a hook. On top of that, Denth just has a lot wider moral latitude—he’s way better at lying to himself (as well as others), while Vasher acknowledges the truth about himself to himself. As a result, Denth even manages to win the ethics argument—or at least Vasher doesn’t try very hard to defend himself because he still feels guilty about the things he did. I have to grant that having your sister killed by her husband, who was also one of your best friends, would tend to sour a person, but Denth seems to be one of those people who justify their own heinous behavior by pointing out all the things other people do wrong instead of taking any personal responsibility.

As per the annotations, Arsteel probably wasn’t as far gone as Denth; he didn’t really understand Vasher, but he didn’t intend to kill him in that duel. This makes me wonder what role he and Yesteel played in the balance of the Five Scholars. The recent annotations, though, make me think that Yesteel is functioning either like Denth—“Revenge for my brother!!”—or like Shashara—“Cool new technology!! Let’s see what we can make!! Teach it to everyone!!” Speaking of which, I’d really like to know more about Shashara’s motivations, beyond that one note about how she felt she had something to prove when one of the others came up with improvements to the Lifeless.

Don’t Hold Your Breath (Give it to me!)

Then there’s Shashara’s most notable creation… Nightblood. I was amused by the comment in the annotations: “Really, Denth, you should have known to toss Nightblood someplace far deeper than the shallow bay.” It’s almost funny; Lightsong hears Denth’s voice, clearly on his way back upstairs after pitching Nightblood into the water, and then the “priests” lose their skilled torturer because he’s too focused on settling old scores. Apparently he figured that removing Nightblood from Vasher’s immediate vicinity was good enough. Hah.

Exhale

You always know when you get four or five POV characters in a single chapter that Sanderson has launched the Avalanche. In this particular case, it starts with such a rush that there is hardly time to realize what’s happening. In the span of four chapters, five major characters are captured: first Siri, then Vasher, and suddenly Lightsong, Llarimar, and Blushweaver all at once. Before you have time to assimilate that much, Blushweaver is dead, Lightsong’s past is revealed, his lightheartedness is forcibly crushed, Siri is hustled off by the priests again, and Vasher is being tortured. Vivenna is probably going to go try something she’s not capable of doing, and we have no idea what’s happened to Susebron. Welp.

Now, join us for the comments, and then come back next week. We’ll be tackling Chapters 54 and 55, in which Vasher suffers, Siri sees, Lightsong seethes, Vivenna sneaks… and more.

Alice Arneson is a SAHM, blogger, beta reader, and literature fan. The gamma read of Oathbringer is about half done (though the progress bar only shows 32% as of this writing), Lyndsey Luther has launched a series of articles on cosplaying the Stormlight Archive, more Stormlight articles are soon to come, and we’re not far from the beginning of the early-release excerpts. Speaking of avalanches…

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7 years ago

Well, he’s ‘Lightsong the Bold’ not ‘Lightsong the Clever Strategist’ isn’t he? Poor Blushweaver.

Braid_Tug
7 years ago

I said this early in the reread, and I’ll say something similar now.  –

I HATE Blushweaver’s death here.

“Kill a goddess” – to show how serious we are.       Why didn’t they kill Llarimar?  That would have been pretty serious too.  

It’s not a  true “fridge the female to cause the male hero pain”  – but it’s the closest Sanderson has ever gotten to the trope – and I HATE it.

I do like Llarimar’s outburst however.  That feels very real and I’m wondering how long a big bother outburst has been building inside of him.

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Austin
7 years ago

Was I the only one who literally laughed out loud the first time reading the book when Lightsong, convinced he was a good sword fighter, was all “En garde!” and then was beaten easily?

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7 years ago

@3 I was very amused by that, too. 

I was upset about Blushweaver mainly because I was hoping she’d eventually get to have something with Lightsong. Those kids were made for each other and they never got the chance.

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7 years ago

@2 Braid_Tug

The Pahn Kahl conspirators know that Llarimar is Lightsong’s high priest, and they might know that he’s Lightsong’s brother.  Killing Blushweaver makes more sense; they need to demonstrate that they will kill a hostage, but they want to keep their most valuable hostage in reserve.

Sanderson is willing to kill characters when it’s appropriate to do so, and I don’t think that the fact this character happens to be female affected his decision here.  Sometimes female characters die, and sometimes their deaths cause pain or grief to male characters.  That’s good writing, where death has emotional consequences, not “fridging”. 

Llarimar is a devout Hallendren, and he’s been trying very hard to treat Lightsong like a god, not just his beloved and heroic but impossibly reckless kid brother.  It’s impressive that he managed to hold out until Lightsong’s thoughtless daring led to them being locked in a cage, but even a saint couldn’t keep it up forever.  

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Aeshdan
7 years ago

@2: I’m pretty sure they killed Blushweaver instead of Llarimar because they knew (or believed, at any rate), that Lightsong cared more for Llarimar. If they killed Llarimar first, there’s just a slight bit more chance that Lightsong would have said “I don’t care if you kill Blushweaver, I’m not giving you the Commands”.

axis321
7 years ago

@2, 5, and 6  I thought that it was pretty well spelled out that Blushweaver was killed to prove to Lightsong that his “divinity” wasn’t going to keep him safe. Killing Llarimar doesn’t do that. As important as he is to Lightsong, he isn’t one of the gods.

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7 years ago

“However… it makes me wonder if objects can become habituated to Commands which are given them multiple times.”
That is a very good question I have never thought to ask. I have no idea of the answer, but I sure am among the ones who would like to know.

axis321
7 years ago

I don’t know why I didn’t ever pick up on it before, but after reading the annotations it struck me how both Nightblood and Ruin are more easily able to communicate and influence those that are “mentally unhinged”. I’m wondering what the relationship is between those that are “mentally unhinged” and the cognitive realm, as well as Nightblood’s connection to the cognitive realm as well

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Bruno
7 years ago

@2 I think it has to do with in-book logic, and also behind-the-scenes logic. These guys said themselves that they don’t know how to torture people, and if Llarimar died, Sanderson would lose his best tool to tell us about Lightsong’s past, as some things weren’t revealed yet.

I also agree with @5, not killing a character just because it’s a female character feels like a pretty stupid rule to have as a writer. See also Vin, and Lessie.

Joyspren
7 years ago

Okay, the first time I read the book I literally had to read the page where Blushweaver dies three or four times because it was so unexpected for me. Even knowing it was coming this time I wasn’t completely prepared for it. And then the priests’ “oh you do care for her” like they were really surprised. Aren’t the two of them together more than with most of the other gods? 

And Old Chapps. I love the crazy throwaway characters that we sometimes get like this. Before being aware of the Cosmere I thought Hoid was one of these (now I know better). But yeah, a shallow bay isn’t the best place to dispose of your sentient sword. So much for Denth always being a smart bad guy 

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7 years ago

In many of the Cosmere magic systems, using magic requires being broken in some way. That might explain why crazy people are more susceptible to magical influence.

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7 years ago

@2: Heh. The second Mistborn trilogy appears to play that trope completely straight — and then subverts it in the next book. 

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SCMof2814
7 years ago

“However… it makes me wonder if objects can become habituated to Commands which are given them multiple times.”

The probability is VERY high, especially due to Identity. After all, if part of the cognitive identity of the clothes is getting those commands, then it’s likely something that’s a part of them in the Cognitive Realm. Plus an inherent part of clothes is to protect against the elements, so in fact, at least the cloak fulfills it’s purpose MORE when it’s invested. Not everyhting is as hard to talk to as a stick.

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Haggis
7 years ago

@2, 5, 6, and 7 there was a reason why blushweaver was killed instead.

They mentioned that the priests tended to know the codes in case something happened to the god. They had to leave him alive to try and get the codes if lightsong didn’t talk.

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7 years ago

If Lightsong were in any way a hero in the traditional storytelling sense of the word I would say sure, that’s a trope.

Fridge the lady and watch the guy spin up into a martial arts, gun/sword slinging, trap setting vengence machine, who still gets a lady to replace the one he lost at the end of it all.

Instead we get a depressive spiral and he crumbles like a hardened chocolate chip cookie. The guy is just plain clumsy, physical specimen though he may be. And the only reason he got as far as he did down that tunnel is the culture permits his eccentric behavior. 

I’m not saying he doesn’t have an eye for patterns and motivations based on his previous profession. Or that his impulsive nature doesn’t lend itself to an act of heroism, but that’s it. One moment, then death. It’s a much more accurate portrayal of what heroism is in everyday life. An impulsive, sacrificial act that will likely result in your death. 

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7 years ago

And Blushweavers death is much more accurate too for that matter. I appreciated the suddenness of it all. People never expect to die. They just do. No lead up, no pomp, no goodbyes, just a sudden death. The shock of it was perfectly done and I think Brandon hit the literary nail on the head with this scene.

The bad guys had two hostages to apply pressure with and they’re on a schedule. Of course they’ll kill one and start cutting off the fingers of the other. This is total war and they are already dead in their own minds since I believe if I remember correctly they’re going to commit suicide anyway.

They already had what they needed from Blushweaver. She’s deadweight. Llarimar would know more about his deity, much better to kill her and pressure him.

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7 years ago

Housekeeping note:
This post is not showing up in the Warbreaker reread index.

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7 years ago

I had completely forgotten Blushweaver’s death. It was just as shocking for me this time. This also means they already had her pass phrase for the lifeless. I’m listening to the story this time through and that also brings a different feeling when a death happens. I’m connected to the characters with another one of my senses. At least that is true with a good narrator.

Denth, I’m still mad at how he tricked me into liking him so to say letting Tonk Fa torture animals was better than people is a small thing indeed. Letting Tonk Fa exist is a crime.

 

Braid_Tug
7 years ago

As I said, it’s not a true “fridge death.”   There are good reasons for it.  I can still hate it.  Not just because it’s a female dying to drive plot.   I don’t believe a character should be protected due to gender.   I can still dislike this sudden death.

I’m glad Sanderson is willing to kill his darlings when it’s needed.   Even if some other deaths seem to be fake outs more than average.   Cough… Szeth…Kelsier…cough. 

MB: E2 SoS,  that death was amazing and painful and very important for further plots.

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7 years ago

 It occurs to me that The Endowment is probably coping right now with a wildly distraught Blushweaver on the other side. Like Lightsong she came back to save Hallandren from destruction and instead she’s enabled it AND left the man she loves in mortal danger.

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7 years ago

@20 Braid_Tug

That’s fair.  I think the most realistic deaths are also the most painful.  Most people in real life don’t go out in a blaze of glory, deliberately sacrificing themselves for the good of others.  They do the best they can with the knowledge they have, and sometimes bad things happen as a result of bad information.  

Kelsier, Vin, Elend, Hrathen…many Sanderson characters die dramatically, giving their own lives to protect others.  Blushweaver is just caught up in a plot she doesn’t understand and killed as soon as the conspirators have what they want.  Lightsong could have died the same way if their positions had been reversed.  

There’s something satisfying and powerful in a death that a character chooses.  When they just die, it feels like they’ve been cheated. It’s good writing, even though it’s painful.  Blushweaver and Lightsong are amateurs involved in events they don’t understand, and they fool themselves into thinking that they’re in charge even as they’re tricked into taking part in someone else’s conspiracy.  

Llarimar says it best when he tells Lightsong that he was an accountant, not some kind of secret agent.  The gods are sheltered and protected from the real world, shielded from any kind of consequences.  Blushweaver is running around in tunnels with people she doesn’t know, taking them at their word when they claim to be priests of the God-King.  Lightsong is playing investigator in the same tunnels, refusing to take along guards or even keep a low profile.  They aren’t invincible, but they behave like they are, and the ending Sanderson writes is both horrifying and entirely correct.   

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7 years ago

 You know I don’t think the Pahn Kahl have thought this plot of theirs through. Won’t another Manywar destroy them too? Why do they expect the Idrians and allies to limit themselves to Hallandren proper when everybody thinks of the Pahn Kahl as part of Hallandren.

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7 years ago

@25 It must be a Pahn Kahl plot.

I hope you feel better soon!

Braid_Tug
7 years ago

@25:  Alice, I’m so sorry all your colors & breath were stolen.  I hope they return soon. 

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7 years ago

Oh feel better, Alice!

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behold_a_name
7 years ago

@25 I shall stop hopelessly refreshing the page and wish you a speedy recovery then!

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Fulfriim
7 years ago

@24 I think they say the realise this but the only way they see to break free is cause enough havoc to break away. And hope they don’t get crushed in the middle. 

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7 years ago

As others have pointed out, the one example of stereotypical ‘fridging’ I could think of comes from Alloy of Law and…it’s not really fridging at all, mwahaha. (That said, even if it HAD been exactly what it seemed, I wouldn’t have been overly bothered by it since even the little time we did get with that character revealed her to have some depth, and it’s not a trope that Brandon relies on repeatedly and he has several other non-fridged female characters in various roles throughout his books).

But I agree that the striking thing about Blushweaver’s death here was the suddenness and almost…meaninglessness of it. The prose doesn’t really spend a lot of time building it up or making it some big dramatic, epic scene. It just happens.

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WuseMajor
7 years ago

@24 As regards the Pahn Kahl plot, I suspect that Bluefingers has actually bitten off a lot more than he can chew. I doubt he knows about Yesteel and his methods of making more swords like Nightblood and fully expects that this will be a complex war but not another Manywar, let alone something much, much worse.

Possibly he thinks that the Pahn Kahl can break away and declare themselves neutral and end up owning the ruins of Hallendren in the end. Or that maybe the destruction of the Lifeless army (whatever happens to it, it’s effectively gone now) will be able to get the other nations to force Hallendren to sue for peace and Bluefingers can get them to put the Pahn Kahl in as a new ruling class.

Regardless, if he had succeeded, everyone would be dead.

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7 years ago

My explanation was the very simple and very Sandersonian one: the Pahn Kahl don’t see themselves as being Hallandren, and honestly don’t realize that once Manywar 2 starts, everyone else in the world will fail to make the distinction and will treat them as Hallandren and annihilate them, too.

Note: “the Pahn Kahl” here doesn’t mean every one of them. Odds are only a minority actually want to rebel in the first place, but they are by definition the ones who are conspiring with Bluefingers.

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7 years ago

As near as I can tell the Pahn Kahl’s only actual grievance is they’ve been so thoroughly assimilated that nobody seems to realize they are a separate people anymore. It’s fair to assume that this only chafes a minority, probably the folks actually living in Hallandren proper and not all of them. Seems kind of feeble justification for bringing down war and destruction on the world

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